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Message 23306 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012 | 16:16:17 UTC
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Hi,
we have found an interesting side project for gpugrid. It's an experiment for us as well which could potentially increase funding. Let's see.

For now, it's a good way to practice with opencl and ati.

We have put 100 WUs, but you have to attach to this test project:
http://www.donateathome.org

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Message 23309 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012 | 18:21:10 UTC - in response to Message 23306.

By the way, ATI cards are welcome there much more than Nvidia cards which are much slower.
Still both will run in OpenCL.

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Message 23321 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012 | 19:11:33 UTC

Any hardware requirements?

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Message 23324 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012 | 20:21:46 UTC - in response to Message 23321.

Any hardware requirements?

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I imagine is just has to be able to run OpenCL software.

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Message 23325 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012 | 20:44:18 UTC - in response to Message 23324.

Yes, it needs to be able to run OpenCL1.0.

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Message 23329 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012 | 21:14:05 UTC

My 7970 won't pickup any WUs for some reason...

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Message 23332 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012 | 21:37:09 UTC - in response to Message 23306.

we have found an interesting side project for gpugrid. It's an experiment for us as well which could potentially increase funding. Let's see.


I'm missing something. How could this proyect raise funding?

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Message 23334 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012 | 21:40:36 UTC - in response to Message 23332.
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we have found an interesting side project for gpugrid. It's an experiment for us as well which could potentially increase funding. Let's see.


I'm missing something. How could this proyect raise funding?

Every BitCoin is worth a certain amount of real money.
The more BCs they get, the more they can claim for real money.

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Message 23338 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012 | 22:14:58 UTC

Think GDF is on to a real winner with this idea. Not quite enough points against GPUgrid tasks (30% less) to make it worth using Nvidia cards (although with less errors could be better for some users), but should get a lot of AMD cards here now from other projects. Great work guys.

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Message 23339 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012 | 23:18:55 UTC - in response to Message 23338.
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Simply I'm amazed! I dindn't know Bitcoins could be mined.

If the cost of producing a Bitcoin is higher than real money, and people still contribute to this proyect rather than donate, I will think mankind has no solution.

Anyway, I think the idea is great.

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Message 23342 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 4:17:24 UTC - in response to Message 23339.

I did a bit of research on bitcoin, and IMHO, the time to get in would have been when bitcoin was first launched. Each new bitcoin, as I understand it, is taking longer and longer to find because they are growing rarer and rarer. Also, the worth of a bitcoin does not go up even though each one takes longer and longer to find. So, IMHO, it was not worth it for me.
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Message 23346 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 6:43:11 UTC
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This is a black day for BOINC.

"You might also want to volunteer your computing time to do scientific calculations, then give a look at gpugrid.net"

Shame in my opinion.

GPU's and CPU's in BOINC are for sience not for making money!
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Message 23348 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 8:03:59 UTC - in response to Message 23346.
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Sure, but we are not making money. We cannot make science without people working at gpugrid and we are facing now a big transition in the group, but again you have the option.
Also in my personal opinion bitcoin is a great idea on its own which should be supported.

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Message 23352 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 11:36:14 UTC - in response to Message 23346.
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This is a black day for BOINC.

Not for BOINC, but definitely for GPUGRID.

Shame in my opinion.

Agreed. Frankly, I'm shocked that GPUGRID is promoting an association with bitcoin. While bitcoin could solve some problems facing humanity in theory, in practice mining bitcoins does nothing more than provide casinos (bitcoin exchanges) with gambling chips. IMO, there's enough of that going on with fiat...adding crypto-currencies into the mix makes things worse, not better.

I urge those in charge of GPUGRID to to reconsider the wisdom of this decision. If you guys are having money problems, there are other ways to raise cash. (now, where's that "Donate" button again?)

Good or bad, bitcoin is controversial - and I take a dim view of charities I support engaging in controversial activities.

Also in my personal opinion bitcoin is a great idea on its own which should be supported.

While I'm not an economist by profession, my undergraduate degree is in econ and I've followed the development of bitcoin very closely as a matter of curiosity. I'd be interested in hearing why you believe bitcoin (in its current state) is worth supporting. Despite having a STRONG negative opinion of bitcoin, I stand ready to have my mind changed if the right argument comes along. ;-)

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Message 23353 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 12:40:38 UTC - in response to Message 23352.

This is a black day for BOINC.

Not for BOINC, but definitely for GPUGRID.


It just occurred to me that this project might be awarding BOINC credits for mining bitcoins...is this the case? If so, it is in fact a black day for BOINC. Very black indeed.

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Message 23354 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 13:31:54 UTC - in response to Message 23353.

Try to read the paper (it's posted at donate@home). The way bitcoin works deserve all respect, it's brilliant. I think that it's worth supporting because it might well end up that the idea taken from bitcoin, which for now I agree it's just an experiment, will end up in something major. Maintaining the network consumes flops, like any other activity.

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Message 23355 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 17:21:25 UTC - in response to Message 23354.

Try to read the paper (it's posted at donate@home). The way bitcoin works deserve all respect, it's brilliant.

If you're referring to Satoshi's paper, I read it long ago. I would agree that the concept is dazzlingly brilliant...even beautiful. However, my opinions about bitcoin are based on outcomes, not aesthetics. I won't bore readers of this thread with an essay on why I believe the bitcoin "experiment" has already failed (miserably), but I will point out that the objective laid out in the very first line of Satoshi's paper

"A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution."

has never been realized. There is no bitcoin economy to speak of outside the thinly traded, completely unregulated exchanges.
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Since you're obviously moving forward with this project, I would hope that you will at least make it AMD only. Unless something's changed recently, nVidia GPUs make miserable bitcoin miners. Selling one of my nVidia cards and sending you the proceeds would be better than wasting electricity by using it to mine bitcoins.

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Message 23356 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 17:56:17 UTC - in response to Message 23355.

Yes, I meant that paper.

I also agree that Nvidia is crap for donate@home (2/3 times slower), while even old ATI GPUs work really good. These older AMD GPUs will never be useful at gpugrid, but they can do something at donate@home.

Good thing is that we have already found and solved several problems for running ATI opencl in just one day. This will be useful here soon. AMD has just shipped us the GCN card.

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Message 23359 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 18:03:26 UTC

BitCoin Pump?

Forget that I can try it!

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Message 23362 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 18:37:31 UTC - in response to Message 23348.

Try to guess how it should be if all BOINC projects will open a "side project" like donate@home...

- what's BOINC?
- bah... don't know, it was for scientific research but now... they are making money
- ah ok, always the same ending
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Message 23363 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 18:42:43 UTC - in response to Message 23362.

I actually think that it could be very good, provided that this digital currency matures.
It would provide the funding to pay people.

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Message 23365 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 18:47:03 UTC - in response to Message 23363.
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hi

I believe it would be better to use usual paypal donations, and put the efforts into better GPUGRID infrastructure (for example you can host subprojects on molecular simulations etc)

the more cards you connect to bitcoin network, the cheaper it becames

Try to guess how it should be if all BOINC projects will open a "side project" like donate@home...

- what's BOINC?
- bah... don't know, it was for scientific research but now... they are making money
- ah ok, always the same ending



yes, exactly

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Message 23367 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 19:03:56 UTC - in response to Message 23365.

if you want to know the opinion of 2,584 members of team Ukraine (in top-40 on BOINC-wide and Folding and in almost every other project)

http://boincstats.com/stats/team_graph.php?pr=ps3grid&id=106

http://distributed.org.ua/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=99&t=5531&st=0#entry92160

i'll translate into English: shame. we crunch for science, not for money

you better close this stuff now and excuse

thank you for attention,
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ps: this is the last message, i am not going to spend time on this any more.

appropriate postings will be placed on Free_DC, boincstats.com, WorldCommunityGrid and other respectful site

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Message 23370 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012 | 19:28:31 UTC - in response to Message 23367.
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Clearly, you are upset, but don't look at this then.

We have made some changes though. We think that the idea is interesting, people is free to think otherwise of course and avoid it. I have made the changes that you guys suggested on the donate@home web page.

All further discussions can continue politely at donate@home.

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